CREATE Rules are up

noctnoct Posts: 122Member
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There is one section I'm a little confused about:
(ii) waives all moral rights in and to his/her Submission in favor of the Sponsor to the fullest extent permitted by law

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  • Chuckle5Chuckle5 Posts: 2Member
    I'm no lawyer, but doesn't that just mean you agree to let them use images or video of your intellectual property without seeking compensation under copyright law?
  • noctnoct Posts: 122Member
    Chuckle5 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but doesn't that just mean you agree to let them use images or video of your intellectual property without seeking compensation under copyright law?
    No, that's covered by the first clause in that section. I'm confused because moral rights includes the right of an author to claim authorship. Not even Instagram asks for a moral rights waiver.
  • TristTrist Posts: 71Member
    I'm kind of confused about the rules. They say you can't use an existing game engine but Unity has been the exception. Also since Unity is now an exception does that mean that a unity user can qualify for other prize categorys other that the Unity special prize category?
  • bluecollarartbluecollarart Posts: 75Member
    Yeah, I very much want to know if OUYA is claiming ownership of your IP for anything you submit in this competition. It wouldn't be too bad if it was just a normal game jam. But they're really positioning this contest as something where you'll make a game and then continue to turn it into a full product (they specifically mention you might want to Kickstart it).

    There have been a bunch of things about this jam that just have a feeling of "hastily thrown together". Like the weird starting date thing where they announced it as a 10-day jam starting on the 14th, but then said in the fine print that you could start 7 days early if you wanted. I know a number of devs didn't notice that and wish they had.
  • KonajuGamesKonajuGames Posts: 560Member
    Kickstarter is only available for U.S. residents.

    Waiving of moral rights is not available in all countries.  Specifically it is not allowed in Europe.  The U.S. has the least protection for moral rights of any country.  So can moral rights legally be waived for a European entrant to a U.S-based competition?  "to the fullest extent permitted" by whose law?
  • SueseSuese Posts: 120Member
    The entire rule set is in legal-ees.  By the time any of our lawyers (provided we have them) look over it the Jam will be over. 

    It is usually unwise to enter a contract like this without some form of legal advice.
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  • kiwicocokiwicoco Posts: 86Member
    Well these things are always based on the law firm's templates and don't necessarily reflect the view of the organizers. And contracts are always heavily pro-issuer to defend themselves against any liabilities.

    That said, some parts of it do seem to cross the line. The guys at KillScreen probably didn't have much time to review it. I'm sure they've got the best intentions so maybe they'll address the moral rights point soon.
  • ShielsShiels Posts: 119Member
    Does the "promotion of any kind" part exclude our game because we made a FB page for it? It has never been released ever!
  • MagnesusMagnesus Posts: 304Member
    edited January 2013
    So we can't use libGDX?
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  • KonajuGamesKonajuGames Posts: 560Member
    Trist said:
    I'm kind of confused about the rules. They say you can't use an existing game engine but Unity has been the exception. Also since Unity is now an exception does that mean that a unity user can qualify for other prize categorys other that the Unity special prize category?
    Perhaps the rules have changed since you posted, but the rules currently state that you can use a third-party engine if you have the rights to use such engine in a commercially published title and make it available on the OUYA.

    @Magnesus, libGDX should be fine if you have the rights to commercially publish a title using it.

    @Shiels, a FB page is not a promotion.  Your FB page is promotional material for your game, but it is not a promotion.  CREATE is a promotion in that it is a contest or event that invites submissions from developers and gives rewards for merit of those submissions.
  • bluecollarartbluecollarart Posts: 75Member
    @Shiels, the point isn't really whether you promoted your game before or not. Either way, you're supposed to make a NEW game for this competition. If you've already been working on it before the competition was announced, it wouldn't be fair to everyone else who's starting fresh.
  • MommysBestGamesMommysBestGames Posts: 56Member
    Could the KillScreen people please look at removing 4.c.ii?
    http://www.wellsiplaw.com/what-are-moral-rights/
    Is it that necessary? Like said above, it seems like the rest of 4c covers their butt pretty well and lets them exploit the games for promotion well enough.

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  • MommysBestGamesMommysBestGames Posts: 56Member
    edited January 2013
    Guys, I wrote KillScreen and here's their response via email to the 'moral rights' issue. I think I'll be submitting then, seems okay.

    "
    Moral rights are the rights of an author to protect the artistic integrity of his or her works. Basically, it is the right to control every possible way in which an artistic work is presented, including in any derivative works. This would extend for example, to promotional use by OUYA or Kill Screen of screenshots or game features or inclusion of a game description or screenshot in a compilation marketing piece next to another game submission. The moral rights waiver is limited in scope in that if OUYA does these marketing activities, an author cannot sue OUYA for violation of moral rights based on this type of abstract claim (for example, if Kill Screen displays a winning submission in a list next to another submission that the author morally objects to). 

    We completely understand that this is intense language, but we need to include it to protect against situations like the above example, however unlikely.

    Please note that moral rights are not assignable, so Neither OUYA not Kill Screen are taking ownership of anything.  And they have nothing to do with economic rights, which we have no desire to take away from you!  You are free to publish or not publish the game to OUYA or any other platform, and we do not have the rights to publish your game (even to OUYA) without your permission."

    Post edited by MommysBestGames on
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  • JSIDDJSIDD Posts: 167Member
    @MommysBestGames Thank you so much for doing this and posting their answer here.

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